start at the Drawing Board...

I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with this, at least how I understand it. I believe that good and evil aren't just abstract relative things, but actual choices that we make, and the "battle" is manifested very much in a physical way.
of course we don't know the full consequences of our actions or their implications, which might be what you're saying here, but we can certinally be aware of the morality of our own choices.
and if the battle of good and evil was futile in the physical, Christ would never had to become physical flesh and die a physical death. The great mystery is that our eternal salvation is rooted in a specific moment in a specific place. wild.

none of this may pertain to what you were talking about . . .
 

i see what you're saying and it does pertain (mostly) to what i was talking about. the comment you have about us not having the capability to understand the full consequences of our actions is where the post came from. the physical battle that you speak of is not about good and evil, it's about morality.. but again that is something even more abstract than good and evil. and it's because in order to judge morality, you need a sence of good and eveil. but good and evil is subjective to humanity.. not to God, and i'm thinking possibly our spirits. once we have full use of our spirit, we can live forever in eternal life, or eternal damnation... good or evil. Christs death was, yes, physical, but his ressurection was what was important to us. His ressurection meant that we could have salvation, he riopped the veil between good and eveil. allowed us to see it in the physical. but, we don't. humanity has a problem with seeing the way God can... duh... so it makes our physical battles (again not spiritual, and not meaning that we shouldn't stand for what we believe to be right) futile.
 

I'm not sure what you mean about good and evil being abstract and morality being more abstract.

is it because only God knows what they are?

Because I don't really buy that, either. I know that a lot of what we believe is right and wrong comes from our culture, but really, what's the point of having a moral universe and a divine judge of that universe if we can never understand it in concrete terms?
 

good question... what is the point? that's what i mean by it's futility. if when we act upon something (example of something big for a culture, U.S. v. Iraq) we open a large can of worms. what should we have done, what shouldn't we have done? what's the morality in all of it? when does it end? what should the end result be? our outlook of any of those, even just applied to this matter of war, is so defined by our limited knowledge and understanding of the big [picture. we miss the point, pretty much everytime. our search for the answers is a physically impossible task. our spiritual search should bleed over into our physical and take over. i believe that could be a way for us to come closer to an understanding of morality, and through that, possibly grasp what it is to be truly good or evil.